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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 07:53:50AM +0000, Mark Sappol wrote:
> I am new to this list so please forgive me if I am asking something that
> has already been answered previously.  I did check the archives but too
> no avail.
> 
> I need to create a postscript file from an HTML document.  I have no
> problem here with the text but I do have a logo (gif file) on this
> document which does not get converted.  How can I go about converting
> the HTML documents I generate, along with any linked GIF images, to
> PostScript, as well as at other times, to TIFF?
> 
> I would appreciate any feedback and help on this request.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Mark

You can convert .html to .ps using Netscape.  You can do this manually
by clicking mouse, or through '-remote' command line option.  For
example,
    netscape -remote "openURL(http://sexybabes.for.you/)" \
	     -remote "saveAs(xxx.ps, Postscript)"

You can then convert .ps to .tiff like FAX program does.

William

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If I may interject...

It can be found at:
http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/deploymt/options.htm

Jeffrey Krzysztow wrote:
> 
> William,
> 
> Where did you find information about -remote command line option for Netscape?
> 
> William Park wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 07:53:50AM +0000, Mark Sappol wrote:
> > > I am new to this list so please forgive me if I am asking something that
> > > has already been answered previously.  I did check the archives but too
> > > no avail.
> > >
> > > I need to create a postscript file from an HTML document.  I have no
> > > problem here with the text but I do have a logo (gif file) on this
> > > document which does not get converted.  How can I go about converting
> > > the HTML documents I generate, along with any linked GIF images, to
> > > PostScript, as well as at other times, to TIFF?
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any feedback and help on this request.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mark
> >
> > You can convert .html to .ps using Netscape.  You can do this manually
> > by clicking mouse, or through '-remote' command line option.  For
> > example,
> >     netscape -remote "openURL(http://sexybabes.for.you/)" \
> >              -remote "saveAs(xxx.ps, Postscript)"
> >
> > You can then convert .ps to .tiff like FAX program does.
> >
> > William
> >
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Daniel E. Lincoln - Digital Buck Mechanic
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http://home.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html


Jeffrey Krzysztow wrote:
> 
> William,
> 
> Where did you find information about -remote command line option for Netscape?
> 
> William Park wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 07:53:50AM +0000, Mark Sappol wrote:
> > > I am new to this list so please forgive me if I am asking something that
> > > has already been answered previously.  I did check the archives but too
> > > no avail.
> > >
> > > I need to create a postscript file from an HTML document.  I have no
> > > problem here with the text but I do have a logo (gif file) on this
> > > document which does not get converted.  How can I go about converting
> > > the HTML documents I generate, along with any linked GIF images, to
> > > PostScript, as well as at other times, to TIFF?
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any feedback and help on this request.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mark
> >
> > You can convert .html to .ps using Netscape.  You can do this manually
> > by clicking mouse, or through '-remote' command line option.  For
> > example,
> >     netscape -remote "openURL(http://sexybabes.for.you/)" \
> >              -remote "saveAs(xxx.ps, Postscript)"
> >
> > You can then convert .ps to .tiff like FAX program does.
> >
> > William
> >
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WebSideStory, Inc.
10182 Telesis Court, Sixth Floor
San Diego, California 92121
P:  858.546.0040  ext. 417
F:  858.546.0480
E:  steve@websidestory.com

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I'm trying to do the following:

1)  Take a JPEG image and size it down to a particular size.
2)  Overlay that JPEG on top of an GIF image to form a combined result.

This works fine for the most part:  I use mogrify to resize, followed by 
combine to overlay.

Now I'm presented with GIF images (the ones the JPEG is put on top of)
that have colors or other background attributes we want to 'show through'
the overlay where there is no image.

Even without any transparency options this seems to ALMOST work.  The
problem is that there's a small area around each image of 'white' that
always
shows up.  Trying transparency or the 'matte' option of '-draw' seems to
have
no effect.

Any ideas?  I'm an engineer -- not an image expert.  The images in question
are handed to me.  I can change them if necessary and if it can be done via
the ImageMagick tool.  The volume we generate makes manual changes to 
each image out of the question.

----
Steve Sapovits
Global Sports Interactive
Work Email: sapovitss@globalsportsinc.com
Home Email: steves@delanet.com
Work Phone: 610-491-7087
Cell:       610-574-7706
Pager:      877-239-4003


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Someone on this list and my image folks here seem to confirm that the
problem
here is with 'fringe' pixels that were not trimmed back as neatly as
possible.  Any
suggestions for automating this?  This whole thing needs to be batched.  I
played
with the transparency and fuzz options with no real difference noted.
Trying 
crop 0x0 makes some of the fringe whitespace areas neater, but it doesn't
get rid
of them.

Any suggestions?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:58 AM
> To:	magick@wizards.dupont.com
> Subject:	Transparency question
> 
> 
> I'm trying to do the following:
> 
> 1)  Take a JPEG image and size it down to a particular size.
> 2)  Overlay that JPEG on top of an GIF image to form a combined result.
> 
> This works fine for the most part:  I use mogrify to resize, followed by 
> combine to overlay.
> 
> Now I'm presented with GIF images (the ones the JPEG is put on top of)
> that have colors or other background attributes we want to 'show through'
> the overlay where there is no image.
> 
> Even without any transparency options this seems to ALMOST work.  The
> problem is that there's a small area around each image of 'white' that
> always
> shows up.  Trying transparency or the 'matte' option of '-draw' seems to
> have
> no effect.
> 
> Any ideas?  I'm an engineer -- not an image expert.  The images in
> question
> are handed to me.  I can change them if necessary and if it can be done
> via
> the ImageMagick tool.  The volume we generate makes manual changes to 
> each image out of the question.
> 
> ----
> Steve Sapovits
> Global Sports Interactive
> Work Email: sapovitss@globalsportsinc.com
> Home Email: steves@delanet.com
> Work Phone: 610-491-7087
> Cell:       610-574-7706
> Pager:      877-239-4003
> 
> 
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It would help me if you could send some small samples of exactly the effect
you are trying to achieve. I'm sure IM can do whatever you want but the road
to get there may not be at all obvious.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:32 AM
> To:	Steve Sapovits; magick@wizards.dupont.com
> Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> 
> 
> Someone on this list and my image folks here seem to confirm that the
> problem
> here is with 'fringe' pixels that were not trimmed back as neatly as
> possible.  Any
> suggestions for automating this?  This whole thing needs to be batched.  I
> played
> with the transparency and fuzz options with no real difference noted.
> Trying 
> crop 0x0 makes some of the fringe whitespace areas neater, but it doesn't
> get rid
> of them.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:58 AM
> > To:	magick@wizards.dupont.com
> > Subject:	Transparency question
> > 
> > 
> > I'm trying to do the following:
> > 
> > 1)  Take a JPEG image and size it down to a particular size.
> > 2)  Overlay that JPEG on top of an GIF image to form a combined result.
> > 
> > This works fine for the most part:  I use mogrify to resize, followed by
> 
> > combine to overlay.
> > 
> > Now I'm presented with GIF images (the ones the JPEG is put on top of)
> > that have colors or other background attributes we want to 'show
> through'
> > the overlay where there is no image.
> > 
> > Even without any transparency options this seems to ALMOST work.  The
> > problem is that there's a small area around each image of 'white' that
> > always
> > shows up.  Trying transparency or the 'matte' option of '-draw' seems to
> > have
> > no effect.
> > 
> > Any ideas?  I'm an engineer -- not an image expert.  The images in
> > question
> > are handed to me.  I can change them if necessary and if it can be done
> > via
> > the ImageMagick tool.  The volume we generate makes manual changes to 
> > each image out of the question.
> > 
> > ----
> > Steve Sapovits
> > Global Sports Interactive
> > Work Email: sapovitss@globalsportsinc.com
> > Home Email: steves@delanet.com
> > Work Phone: 610-491-7087
> > Cell:       610-574-7706
> > Pager:      877-239-4003
> > 
> > 
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Your problem is that you are trying to use transparency, but you really want
to use alpha channel blending. I'll show you how if you can send me another
copy of MCS_C_11452.gif before it is flattened out into a GIF file. You need
to have an input file were the "image" pixels are in the RGB parts of the
file, and the "cutout" is in the "alpha" channel. The alpha channel contains
a value for each and every pixel that defines the opacity of the pixel. Two
file formats that support this are Photoshop and TIFF.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:34 AM
> To:	Bill Radcliffe
> Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> 
> 
> Good idea, of course.
> 
> This is run from a bigger program but I distilled it down to a simpler 
> set of commands to reproduce.  I run these two commands:
> 
> mogrify -geometry 120x120! 'MCS_C_11452.gif'
> combine 'MCS_C_120x150.gif' -gravity south 'MCS_C_11452.gif' -compose over
> 'result.gif'
> 
> I get this output:
> 
> mogrify: no delegates configuration file found (delegates.mgk).
> mogrify: no encode delegate for this image format (Y).
> combine: no delegates configuration file found (delegates.mgk).
> 
> I've gotten these 'delegates' messages before with no ill effects. 
> 
> Here are the files I'm using.  The 'result.gif' has the whitespace I
> mentioned.  Any help
> would be greatly appreciated.  I'll write a perl program for you in
> exchange
> or something.  8-)
> 
>  <<MCS_C_11452.gif>>  <<MCS_C_120x150.gif>>  <<result.gif>> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Bill Radcliffe [SMTP:BillR@corbis.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:07 AM
> > To:	'Steve Sapovits'; 'magick@wizards.dupont.com'
> > Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> > 
> > It would help me if you could send some small samples of exactly the
> > effect
> > you are trying to achieve. I'm sure IM can do whatever you want but the
> > road
> > to get there may not be at all obvious.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > > Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:32 AM
> > > To:	Steve Sapovits; magick@wizards.dupont.com
> > > Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Someone on this list and my image folks here seem to confirm that the
> > > problem
> > > here is with 'fringe' pixels that were not trimmed back as neatly as
> > > possible.  Any
> > > suggestions for automating this?  This whole thing needs to be
> batched.
> > I
> > > played
> > > with the transparency and fuzz options with no real difference noted.
> > > Trying 
> > > crop 0x0 makes some of the fringe whitespace areas neater, but it
> > doesn't
> > > get rid
> > > of them.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions?
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > > > Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:58 AM
> > > > To:	magick@wizards.dupont.com
> > > > Subject:	Transparency question
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm trying to do the following:
> > > > 
> > > > 1)  Take a JPEG image and size it down to a particular size.
> > > > 2)  Overlay that JPEG on top of an GIF image to form a combined
> > result.
> > > > 
> > > > This works fine for the most part:  I use mogrify to resize,
> followed
> > by
> > > 
> > > > combine to overlay.
> > > > 
> > > > Now I'm presented with GIF images (the ones the JPEG is put on top
> of)
> > > > that have colors or other background attributes we want to 'show
> > > through'
> > > > the overlay where there is no image.
> > > > 
> > > > Even without any transparency options this seems to ALMOST work.
> The
> > > > problem is that there's a small area around each image of 'white'
> that
> > > > always
> > > > shows up.  Trying transparency or the 'matte' option of '-draw'
> seems
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > no effect.
> > > > 
> > > > Any ideas?  I'm an engineer -- not an image expert.  The images in
> > > > question
> > > > are handed to me.  I can change them if necessary and if it can be
> > done
> > > > via
> > > > the ImageMagick tool.  The volume we generate makes manual changes
> to 
> > > > each image out of the question.
> > > > 
> > > > ----
> > > > Steve Sapovits
> > > > Global Sports Interactive
> > > > Work Email: sapovitss@globalsportsinc.com
> > > > Home Email: steves@delanet.com
> > > > Work Phone: 610-491-7087
> > > > Cell:       610-574-7706
> > > > Pager:      877-239-4003
> > > > 
> > > > 
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OK - here is a "possible" solution. This sequence relies on the fact that
the input image was originally composited on a white background. It takes
the image and generates a "fake" alpha channel (mask) and uses this during
the compositing operation. It looks pretty good, but has the disadvantage
that the background will tend to influence the colors in the final image
more then you would want.

: first convert to an RGB format with no more transparency or mask channel
convert -compression none MCS_C_11452.gif MCS_C_11452_rgb.bmp
: now make a fake alpha channel using a grayscale version of the image
(inverted) 
convert -compression none -colorspace gray -negate MCS_C_11452.gif
MCS_C_11452_a.bmp
: combine the original image along with the fake alpha channel onto the
background
combine -gravity south -compose over MCS_C_120x150.gif MCS_C_11452.gif
MCS_C_11452_a.bmp result.gif 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Radcliffe 
> Sent:	Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:55 AM
> To:	'Steve Sapovits'
> Cc:	'magick@wizards.dupont.com'
> Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> 
> Your problem is that you are trying to use transparency, but you really
> want
> to use alpha channel blending. I'll show you how if you can send me
> another
> copy of MCS_C_11452.gif before it is flattened out into a GIF file. You
> need
> to have an input file were the "image" pixels are in the RGB parts of the
> file, and the "cutout" is in the "alpha" channel. The alpha channel
> contains
> a value for each and every pixel that defines the opacity of the pixel.
> Two
> file formats that support this are Photoshop and TIFF.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:34 AM
> > To:	Bill Radcliffe
> > Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> > 
> > 
> > Good idea, of course.
> > 
> > This is run from a bigger program but I distilled it down to a simpler 
> > set of commands to reproduce.  I run these two commands:
> > 
> > mogrify -geometry 120x120! 'MCS_C_11452.gif'
> > combine 'MCS_C_120x150.gif' -gravity south 'MCS_C_11452.gif' -compose
> over
> > 'result.gif'
> > 
> > I get this output:
> > 
> > mogrify: no delegates configuration file found (delegates.mgk).
> > mogrify: no encode delegate for this image format (Y).
> > combine: no delegates configuration file found (delegates.mgk).
> > 
> > I've gotten these 'delegates' messages before with no ill effects. 
> > 
> > Here are the files I'm using.  The 'result.gif' has the whitespace I
> > mentioned.  Any help
> > would be greatly appreciated.  I'll write a perl program for you in
> > exchange
> > or something.  8-)
> > 
> >  <<MCS_C_11452.gif>>  <<MCS_C_120x150.gif>>  <<result.gif>> 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Bill Radcliffe [SMTP:BillR@corbis.com]
> > > Sent:	Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:07 AM
> > > To:	'Steve Sapovits'; 'magick@wizards.dupont.com'
> > > Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> > > 
> > > It would help me if you could send some small samples of exactly the
> > > effect
> > > you are trying to achieve. I'm sure IM can do whatever you want but
> the
> > > road
> > > to get there may not be at all obvious.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > > > Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:32 AM
> > > > To:	Steve Sapovits; magick@wizards.dupont.com
> > > > Subject:	RE: Transparency question
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Someone on this list and my image folks here seem to confirm that
> the
> > > > problem
> > > > here is with 'fringe' pixels that were not trimmed back as neatly as
> > > > possible.  Any
> > > > suggestions for automating this?  This whole thing needs to be
> > batched.
> > > I
> > > > played
> > > > with the transparency and fuzz options with no real difference
> noted.
> > > > Trying 
> > > > crop 0x0 makes some of the fringe whitespace areas neater, but it
> > > doesn't
> > > > get rid
> > > > of them.
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:	Steve Sapovits [SMTP:SapovitsS@globalsportsinc.com]
> > > > > Sent:	Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:58 AM
> > > > > To:	magick@wizards.dupont.com
> > > > > Subject:	Transparency question
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm trying to do the following:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1)  Take a JPEG image and size it down to a particular size.
> > > > > 2)  Overlay that JPEG on top of an GIF image to form a combined
> > > result.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This works fine for the most part:  I use mogrify to resize,
> > followed
> > > by
> > > > 
> > > > > combine to overlay.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now I'm presented with GIF images (the ones the JPEG is put on top
> > of)
> > > > > that have colors or other background attributes we want to 'show
> > > > through'
> > > > > the overlay where there is no image.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even without any transparency options this seems to ALMOST work.
> > The
> > > > > problem is that there's a small area around each image of 'white'
> > that
> > > > > always
> > > > > shows up.  Trying transparency or the 'matte' option of '-draw'
> > seems
> > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > no effect.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any ideas?  I'm an engineer -- not an image expert.  The images in
> > > > > question
> > > > > are handed to me.  I can change them if necessary and if it can be
> > > done
> > > > > via
> > > > > the ImageMagick tool.  The volume we generate makes manual changes
> > to 
> > > > > each image out of the question.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----
> > > > > Steve Sapovits
> > > > > Global Sports Interactive
> > > > > Work Email: sapovitss@globalsportsinc.com
> > > > > Home Email: steves@delanet.com
> > > > > Work Phone: 610-491-7087
> > > > > Cell:       610-574-7706
> > > > > Pager:      877-239-4003
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > >
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From markov Sun Aug  8 10:04:17 1999
Subject: Resize with Transparency
To: magick@wizards.dupont.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:04:17 +0200 (MET DST)
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Hi,

Maybe someone knows a solution, maybe for enhancement:

  I have an image (say black on white), where white is set
  to be transparent.  I can display the image on any background,
  without seeing white.
    Now I resize the image with anti-aliasing.  For that, we have
  to intermediate pixels, which also requires interpolating
  the black pixels and background pixels.
    But: I my case, the background has a different (but known) color
  every time i.e. need to anti-alias the same image to different
  backgrounds.  I would like to write:

     my $image->Read('original.gif');
     $image->Set(background => 'blue');
     $image->Scale('50%x50%');
     $image->Write('small.gif');

However, ImageMagick (ImageMagick 4.2.7, PerlMagick 4.27 on Linux)
takes as value for a transparent pixel not the value of `background',
but the color used to define a transparent color: in this case
`white'.  My image reduced as above shows white pixels on my blue
background.

  Is my expectation wrong?

  Does anyone know a work-around?
-- 
Thanks,
               Mark Overmeer   %-]

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I worked on the definition of the JP2 file format.  The situation with
JPEG2000 is not at all like JPEG.

You should know is that JP2 is a very simple wrapper around the formal
JPEG2000 "codestream". It was based on the Quicktime idea of "atoms". This
simple idea is that you have a tag and a length followed by the "stuff". You
know what the "stuff" is based on the tag type. You can also nest these
atoms to build more complex structures.

JP2 is a very simple set of these atoms, most of which are optional. You
could write a program to implement this in about 15 minutes.  The "hard"
part of JP2 is the "codestream". This is the encoded JPEG2000 data. Good
luck on that. We don't have a freely available reference implementation at
this point because nobody has signed up to do it. There was an effort
underway by the same group that did the JPEG-LS implementation. This was
given to the public domain..

http://spmg.ece.ubc.ca/research/jpeg/jpeg_ls/jpegls.html

They actually had an implementation of JPEG2000 on their website but pulled
it off:

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~mdadams/jasper/

Apparently, they decided to sell out and try to charge for it instead of
providing it to the public domain. We all know how well that is going to
work. When are people going to learn that you can't make money selling
compression software? It's not a business - its just an enabler.

My opinion is that without a "Tom Lane" type signing up to make a free
implementation available, JPEG2000 is doomed. You just don't get real
interoperability from a paper spec. We know this.

The good news is that the Digital Imaging Group (DIG) has a project underway
to do this. The bad news is that it has not yet started. And so we wait :-)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:37 AM
> To:	magick@wizards.dupont.com; tiff@olympiakos.com
> Subject:	jpeg2000 question
> 
> Does anybody know of some repository of jp2 (jpeg2000, to be approved by
> ISO/ITU-T by the end of this year) and/or a tool to write (some sort of)
> those images.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ivo
> 
> 
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* Carl Knoos (cknoos@atg.com) [000331 01:39]:
> if I run mogrify -geometry 95x95 whatever.jpg
> I get exactly what I want, except when I try
> to do it from Perl...

> 		# resize it.
> 		$result="$mogrifypath/mogrify -geometry 96x96
> $GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename";

I assume you try to execute this code: use back-tics:

$result=`$mogrifypath/mogrify -geometry 96x96 $GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename`;

or better qx(...)

Is it just a slip of pen here, or just usual programmers-blindness?
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I know this probably doesn't belong here, but
I don't who else to ask :)

Basically, I have imagemagick installed and it works
like a charm!

if I run mogrify -geometry 95x95 whatever.jpg
I get exactly what I want, except when I try
to do it from Perl...

If I in a perl script say:

sub GenerateThumb {
	$fsize = -s "$GalleryPath/$ShortFilename";
	if ($thumbmethod == 1) {
		# copy image.
		open(IMGFILE, "$GalleryPath/$ShortFilename");
		open(TNFILE, ">$GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename");
		binmode(IMGFILE);
		binmode(TNFILE);
		read(IMGFILE, $buffer, $fsize);
		print TNFILE $buffer;
		close(TNFILE);
		close(IMGFILE);
		chmod (0777, "$GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename");
		# resize it.
		$result="$mogrifypath/mogrify -geometry 96x96
$GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename";
	}
}

It all works great until it comes to the resizing, it just seem to skip the
last step.
the variable $mogrifypath is set correctly to /usr/bin

Does anyone what I'm doing wrong?

/Carl


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At 4:12 PM -0600 3/30/00, Joseph Korabelnikov wrote:
>I attempted to convert HTML file to the .jpg format from Command Prompt
>window and got an error :
>
>	convert: delegate failed (html2ps -o %o %i).
>	convert: no delegate for this image format (HTML).
>
>As I understood situation I need to install mgtl2ps library. Am I right. If
>so, where to get it?
>
	You can find it at <http://www.tdb.uu.se/~jan/html2ps.html>.



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* Carl Knoos (cknoos@atg.com) [000401 22:42]:
> ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/mogrify: fatal: libttf.so.2: open failed: No such
> file or directory

Typical for installing ImageMagick binaries: they are precompiled on a
system with a long list of shared-libs.  IM is very powerful, so there
are many libs.  While starting, the libs are contacted.
   Search for a libttf.so : you may not have it, have the wrong version
or just a lacking link. ttf = True Type Fonts, and the lib is available
at freetype.org.

> I've asked the company that I rent space from to install
> PerlMagick on the box, hopefully I won't have all these
> problems if they do.

Compatibility between all those libs and apps will continue to haunt us.
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Blindness :)

Now I'm on to the next problem though...

when I try to execute the line from the script,
my webservers error log contains this:

ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/mogrify: fatal: libttf.so.2: open failed: No such
file or directory

I'm seriously starting to get ticked now... hehe :)

I've asked the company that I rent space from to install
PerlMagick on the box, hopefully I won't have all these
problems if they do.

Thanks for your help! :)

/Carl


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* Carl Knoos (cknoos@atg.com) [000331 01:39]:
> if I run mogrify -geometry 95x95 whatever.jpg
> I get exactly what I want, except when I try
> to do it from Perl...

> 		# resize it.
> 		$result="$mogrifypath/mogrify -geometry 96x96
> $GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename";

I assume you try to execute this code: use back-tics:

$result=`$mogrifypath/mogrify -geometry 96x96
$GalleryPath/tn_$ShortFilename`;

or better qx(...)

Is it just a slip of pen here, or just usual programmers-blindness?
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From markov@ATComputing.nl Tue May  9 15:14:18 2000
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:14:18 +0200
From: Mark Overmeer <markov@ATComputing.nl>
To: Pletschette Andre <andre.pletschette@gmx.net>
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* Pletschette Andre (andre.pletschette@gmx.net) [000509 15:11]:
> When I tried to write a perl script with the following line in it:
>   use Image::Magick;
> I get the following error-message:
> 
>   perl: error in loading shared librairies:
>   /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i586-lin
>   ux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so: undefined symbol: SetWarningHandler
> 
> Could anybody tell me what this means, and how I can get it run, I run 
> Suse Linux 6.3 and I've installed Image Magick with the C++ and the Perl
> Modules.

The Perl::Magick and Image::Magick/ImageMagick modules are not compatible.
Just reinstall all yourself from www.ImageMagick.org.

Be warned: you have to remove the old Perl::Magick *.pm files too, otherwise
you may still use the old versions...
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When I tried to write a perl script with the following line in it:
  use Image::Magick;
I get the following error-message:

  perl: error in loading shared librairies:
  /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i586-lin
  ux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so: undefined symbol: SetWarningHandler

Could anybody tell me what this means, and how I can get it run, I run 
Suse Linux 6.3 and I've installed Image Magick with the C++ and the Perl
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If you can afford the Digimarc library (see
http://www.digimarc.com/licensing/sdk.html &
http://www.digimarc.com/news/pr00-13.html), Bill Radcliffe
<BillR@corbis.com> can send you source for an ImageMagick module to do
professional-grade watermarking.

ImageMagick's 'combine' utility supports simplistic hidden
watermarking via its -stegano option.  If you want a visible logo, you
could use -compose to compose your logo on top of, or blended with,
the base image.  Your visible logo can be mostly transparent in order
to not disturb the image too much.

See this interesting article about digital watermarking:
http://www.spie.org/web/oer/november/nov99/cover1.html

Bob

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Martin Bobrovsky wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Can someone tell how I achieve the effect of embossing a text onto an 
> image? My intention is to "secure" images on the web by applying a symbol 
> or text which on the one hand does not affect the impression of the image 
> too much, but on the other hand, makes the image "unusable" for 
> professional printing purposes ...
> 
> thanks,
> martin
> 
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Thank you for submitting an ImageMagick bug report to
magick-bugs@simplesystems.org.

Your bug report is available on the web at the URL
http://www.simplesystems.org/ImageMagick/bugs?findid=298    

Report any problems with the bug tracking system itself to
Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us>.


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* Cristy (cristy@mystic.es.dupont.com) [000614 17:23]:
>    $img->Read("logo:");
>    $text="I am a LumberJack";
>    $poinsize=40;
>    my ($width, $height) = $img->Get('width', 'height');
>    $img->Annotate
>       ( fill    => 'yellow'
>       , text      => $text
>       , font      =>
> '-bitstream-charter-medium-r-normal--40-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1'
>       , gravity   => 'SouthEast'
>       , 'x'       => 5
>       , 'y'       => $poinsize+5
>       );
>    $img->Write(filename  => "test.gif");

So: gravity work differently from my well known "anchor", where
x,y defines a point and anchor the location of the point wrt the
item to be put on the background.  It was not clear from the docs.

It what you propose a feature or a designed thing?  You specify the
coordinate of the right-top (NorthEast) wrt to the right-bottom
(SouthEast).  I expect that x=0,y=0,SouthWest will work wrt to
NorthWest.  It is not logical for me to treat North/South differently
from East/West (designed before the fall of the Iron curtain?)

And also: the text still appears in black.
-- 
               MarkOv       %-]

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From markov@ATComputing.nl Wed Jun 14 17:49:26 2000
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:49:26 +0200
From: Mark Overmeer <markov@ATComputing.nl>
To: Cristy <cristy@mystic.es.dupont.com>
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* Cristy (cristy@mystic.es.dupont.com) [000614 17:46]:
> > It was not clear from the docs.
> 
> There is alot that is not clear in the docs.  We're writing a book due
> out next year to fix these sorts of problems.

I'll certainly buy the book.  But: will you also respond to the two
remaining quesions from my previous mail?
-- 
Thanks for the fast response,

               MarkOv       %-]

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> It was not clear from the docs.

There is alot that is not clear in the docs.  We're writing a book due
out next year to fix these sorts of problems.

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> But: will you also respond to the two
> remaining quesions from my previous mail?

Sure if you remind me what they are.  I get upwards of 100+ e-mails a day
so it's hard to keep track...

From markov@ATComputing.nl Wed Jun 14 18:00:18 2000
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>> But: will you also respond to the two
>> remaining quesions from my previous mail?

>Sure if you remind me what they are.  I get upwards of 100+ e-mails a day
>so it's hard to keep track...

You replied just a few seconds earlier on my message below.  I replied in
a few seconds to it... but I understand you have to scan mail that fast.
(I maintain 6 websites, so know getting large amounts of e-mail means)
Thanks for the example anyway.

* Mark Overmeer (markov@ATComputing.nl) [000614 17:43]:
> * Cristy (cristy@mystic.es.dupont.com) [000614 17:23]:
> >    $img->Read("logo:");
> >    $text="I am a LumberJack";
> >    $poinsize=40;
> >    my ($width, $height) = $img->Get('width', 'height');
> >    $img->Annotate
> >       ( fill    => 'yellow'
> >       , text      => $text
> >       , font      =>
> > '-bitstream-charter-medium-r-normal--40-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1'
> >       , gravity   => 'SouthEast'
> >       , 'x'       => 5
> >       , 'y'       => $poinsize+5
> >       );
> >    $img->Write(filename  => "test.gif");
> 
> So: gravity work differently from my well known "anchor", where
> x,y defines a point and anchor the location of the point wrt the
> item to be put on the background.  It was not clear from the docs.
> 
> It what you propose a feature or a designed thing?  You specify the
> coordinate of the right-top (NorthEast) wrt to the right-bottom
> (SouthEast).  I expect that x=0,y=0,SouthWest will work wrt to
> NorthWest.  It is not logical for me to treat North/South differently
> from East/West (designed before the fall of the Iron curtain?)
> 
> And also: the text still appears in black.
> -- 
>                MarkOv       %-]
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> AT Computing, UNIX Training and Consultancy    http://www.ATComputing.nl
> http://www.dhp.nl/~markov/                         http://satfoto.dhp.nl

From markov@ATComputing.nl Wed Jun 14 18:17:41 2000
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* Cristy (cristy@mystic.es.dupont.com) [000614 18:05]:
> > It what you propose a feature or a designed thing?  You specify the
> > coordinate of the right-top (NorthEast) wrt to the right-bottom
> > (SouthEast).  I expect that x=0,y=0,SouthWest will work wrt to
> > NorthWest.  It is not logical for me to treat North/South differently
> > from East/West (designed before the fall of the Iron curtain?)
> 
> I'll send you a script that illustrates how gravity works.  The x,y
> offset basically creates a bounding box within the image and the text
> is placed relative to the virtual bounding box.

As you can see in your own demo script, it is not consequent: W and E
are inside the square, while N and S are outside... in my run.  Image
attached.

I changed the line-color you yellow (stroke) which worked, but it still
does not work for the text.

> Are you using ImageMagick 5.2.0?  When I used the script I sent the
> text color was indeed yellow.

The latest 5.2.0 (less than 48 hours ago directly from imagemagick.org).

Sorry, no more time to investigate for me today: have to go...
-- 
               MarkOv       %-]

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> It what you propose a feature or a designed thing?  You specify the
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> (SouthEast).  I expect that x=0,y=0,SouthWest will work wrt to
> NorthWest.  It is not logical for me to treat North/South differently
> from East/West (designed before the fall of the Iron curtain?)

I'll send you a script that illustrates how gravity works.  The x,y
offset basically creates a bounding box within the image and the text
is placed relative to the virtual bounding box.

> And also: the text still appears in black.

Are you using ImageMagick 5.2.0?  When I used the script I sent the
text color was indeed yellow.

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Hi all-

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* magick-bugs@simple.dallas.tx.us (magick-bugs@simple.dallas.tx.us) [000614 16:54]:
> Your bug report is available on the web at the URL
> http://www.simplesystems.org/ImageMagick/bugs?findid=298    

Both indicated problems are fixed in 5.2.1
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Under unixware to print from displayt to an HP laserjet (usual command
to print postscript being
lp -dhpraw -Tpostscript),  I changed the delegates.mgk file (which I
found in /usr/local/share/Magick as installed from the SCO skunkware CD)

from

ps<=print
       /usr/bin/lp -c -s %i

to

ps<=print
        /usr/bin/lp -dhpraw -c -s -Tpostscript %i

and  it appears everything is working.  The -c make an immediate copy
and feeds it to the spooler and without it you get an error message
(below) which my guess is is a bit misleading in that I have to assume
that what is really happening is that without the -c IM is not passing
anything to the spooler........

******************************************************************************

Subject: Status of lp request hpraw-347

        Your request hpraw-347 destined for hpraw
        encountered an error during filtering.

        Reason for failure:

        UX:lp:   ERROR: Cannot read the file "/tmp/hacienda.jpg".
        TO FIX: See if it still exists and is readable, or
                consult your system administrator.





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Under unixware to print from displayt to an HP laserjet (usual command
to print postscript being
lp -dhpraw -Tpostscript),  I changed the delegates.mgk file (which I
found in /usr/local/share/Magick as installed from the SCO skunkware CD)
from

ps<=print
       /usr/bin/lp -c -s %i

to

ps<=print
        /usr/bin/lp -dhpraw -c -s -Tpostscript %i

and  it appears everything is working.  The -c make an immediate copy
and feeds it to the spooler and without it you get an error message
(below) which my guess is is a bit misleading in that I have to assume
that what is really happening is that without the -c IM is not passing
anything to the spooler........

******************************************************************************

Subject: Status of lp request hpraw-347

        Your request hpraw-347 destined for hpraw
        encountered an error during filtering.

        Reason for failure:

        UX:lp:   ERROR: Cannot read the file "/tmp/hacienda.jpg".
        TO FIX: See if it still exists and is readable, or
                consult your system administrator.


I have tried this with jpegs, gifs etc and in quite a number of
locations
Placed the -c -s back in


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-- Geoff Armstrong wrote on Wed  5 Jul 15:35 PM --

> Hi,
> 
> I know the sharpen factors for convert have changed since 5.2.0; but I
> can't find the new factors documented anywhere.

The factors are no longer really factors, but orders for a convolution
kernel, if I've understood it all correctly. Since convolution has
become available in ImageMagick, many of the old filters have been
rewritten to use a kernel (blur, sharpen, charcoal, emboss, edge).

The convert manual page mentions that good values are odd numbers
between 3 and 31.

Martien

PS. If you don't know what convolution is: apply a matrix to each pixel,
and it's surrounding neighbors covered by the matrix. The values of each
covered pixel get multiplied by the matrix cell's value, and all added
together. The new value for the target pixel is this sum. The 'order'
that I talked about above is the height and width of the matrix involved
(in ImageMagick they're always square).
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From markov@ATComputing.nl Wed Jul 26 13:32:31 2000
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:32:31 +0200
From: Mark Overmeer <markov@ATComputing.nl>
To: Chris Wareham <chris.wareham@catchword.com>
Subject: Re: core dump in simple ImageMagick example
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* Chris Wareham (chris.wareham@catchword.com) [000724 18:24]:
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> 
> The following snippet of code coew dumps on ReadImage():
> 
>  GetExceptionInfo(&exception);
>  image_info = CloneImageInfo((ImageInfo *)NULL);
> 
>  strcpy(image_info->filename, IMAGEDIR);
>  strcat(image_info->filename, "/");
>  strcat(image_info->filename, filename);
> 
>  image = ReadImage(image_info, &exception);
>  if(image == (Image *)NULL) {
>    log_error("unable to read image '%s'", filename);
>    return;
>  }
> 
> The debugger output is the following:
> 
>  Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>  0x403a0058 in _IO_getc (fp=0x67616d69) at getc.c:39
>  39     getc.c: No such file or directory.
>  (gdb) bt
>  #0  0x403a0058 in _IO_getc (fp=0x67616d69) at getc.c:39
>  #1  0x4005eb8d in SetImageInfo () from /usr/local/lib/libMagick.so.5
>  #2  0x4003c91e in ReadImage () from /usr/local/lib/libMagick.so.5
>  #3  0x80491dd in process_image (dbm=0x804bea0, filename=0x806a157
> "00132aac.tif") at tif2png.c:107
>  #4  0x8048fd3 in convert_images (args=0xbffff9f4) at tif2png.c:55
>  #5  0x8048e6c in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff9f4) at tif2png.c:21

I have the same problem using PerlMagick 5.2.2 calling ReadImage.
However, it is only reproduceable when this statement is included in
my huge Perl program with a small IM part, not is a smaller sample
as you have.

I run Solaris 2.5.1 and all newest image-libs attached.

Did you get any useful reply which fixed your problem.
Didi you know there is a bug-list:
http://www.simplesystems.org/ImageMagick/bugs/

Please let me know.
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The following snippet of code coew dumps on ReadImage():

 GetExceptionInfo(&exception);
 image_info = CloneImageInfo((ImageInfo *)NULL);

 strcpy(image_info->filename, IMAGEDIR);
 strcat(image_info->filename, "/");
 strcat(image_info->filename, filename);

 image = ReadImage(image_info, &exception);
 if(image == (Image *)NULL) {
   log_error("unable to read image '%s'", filename);
   return;
 }

The debugger output is the following:

 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
 0x403a0058 in _IO_getc (fp=0x67616d69) at getc.c:39
 39     getc.c: No such file or directory.
 (gdb) bt
 #0  0x403a0058 in _IO_getc (fp=0x67616d69) at getc.c:39
 #1  0x4005eb8d in SetImageInfo () from /usr/local/lib/libMagick.so.5
 #2  0x4003c91e in ReadImage () from /usr/local/lib/libMagick.so.5
 #3  0x80491dd in process_image (dbm=0x804bea0, filename=0x806a157
"00132aac.tif") at tif2png.c:107
 #4  0x8048fd3 in convert_images (args=0xbffff9f4) at tif2png.c:55
 #5  0x8048e6c in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff9f4) at tif2png.c:21

image_info->filename points to a valid TIFF image, so
any ideas as to what gives???

Chris

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:49:09 +0200
From: Mark Overmeer <markov@ATComputing.nl>
To: Chris Wareham <chris.wareham@catchword.com>
Subject: Re: core dump in simple ImageMagick example
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* Chris Wareham (chris.wareham@catchword.com) [000726 13:46]:
> > I have the same problem using PerlMagick 5.2.2 calling ReadImage.
 
> This solved my problem with a C based ImageMagick client, but
> I don't know whether it is relevant for PerlMagick programs.

So: to install IM, I need to have the libs installed.  To install
the libs, I need IM to be installed for Magic-config....
Ok.  Still strange spot to dump core...
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Mark Overmeer wrote:
>  
> I have the same problem using PerlMagick 5.2.2 calling ReadImage.
> However, it is only reproduceable when this statement is included in
> my huge Perl program with a small IM part, not is a smaller sample
> as you have.
> 
> I run Solaris 2.5.1 and all newest image-libs attached.
> 
> Did you get any useful reply which fixed your problem.
> Didi you know there is a bug-list:
> http://www.simplesystems.org/ImageMagick/bugs/
> 
> Please let me know.
>

I wasn't passing all the required compiler flags when building
my program. I had looked at the output of Magick-config, and
simply copied the library dependencies into a Makefile. To
successfully build, ImageMagick clients also need the correct
CFLAGS arguments, etc.

This solved my problem with a C based ImageMagick client, but
I don't know whether it is relevant for PerlMagick programs.

Chris

From markov@ATComputing.nl Mon Aug  7 11:38:44 2000
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:38:44 +0200
From: Mark Overmeer <markov@ATComputing.nl>
To: Bryan Burchette <blburch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Core Dump on ReadImage
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(I was away for holidays last week, so not able to response earlier)

* Bryan Burchette (blburch@mindspring.com) [000801 22:37]:
> I am using ImageMagick 5.2.2 and for testing puposes I am using the little 
> test program on the website under the API section. No matter what I do, the 
> program cores on ReadImage().

> Current function is main
>     33     image=ReadImage(image_info,&exception);

I located the problem in the getc() of ReadImage using PerlMagick.  I did
not succeed in creating a reduced sized example for my program which
reproduces the problem, so I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem.

Is there are more clarity on the cause of the crash?  Any response from the
developers?
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Hey List,
    This has me stumped! Maybe I am just missing something really obvious. 
I am using ImageMagick 5.2.2 and for testing puposes I am using the little 
test program on the website under the API section. No matter what I do, the 
program cores on ReadImage().

This is the program I am using to test:
http://www.wizards.dupont.com/cristy/www/api.html

I have pointed the MagickIncarnate() function to the appropriate directory 
on my box.

Does anybody have any ideas?? What could I be doing wrong.

Here is my ouput from DBX
(dbx) step
stopped in main at line 29 in file "test.c"
    29     GetExceptionInfo(&exception);
(dbx) where
=>[1] main(argc = 1, argv = 0xeffff3c4 "\xef\xff\xf5^H"), line 29 in "test.c"
(dbx) step
stopped in main at line 30 in file "test.c"
    30     image_info=CloneImageInfo((ImageInfo *) NULL);
(dbx) step
stopped in main at line 31 in file "test.c"
    31     (void) strcpy(image_info->filename,"test.jpg");
(dbx) step
stopped in main at line 32 in file "test.c"
    32     printf("iamge_info->filename is %s\n",image_info->filename);
(dbx) step
iamge_info->filename is test.jpg
stopped in main at line 33 in file "test.c"
    33     image=ReadImage(image_info,&exception);
(dbx) step
signal SEGV (no mapping at the fault address) in getc at 0xef267b24
0xef267b24: getc+0x0024:        ld      [%i0], %o0
Current function is main
    33     image=ReadImage(image_info,&exception);




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The problem with general font metrics in ImageMagick is that there are
four schemes for obtaining fonts FreeType 1, FreeType 2,
Postscript/Ghostscript fonts, and X11 fonts.  Freetype returns plenty
of information associated with font metrics.  I know of no way to get
the font metrics from Ghostscript and X11 fonts returns metrics but
they do not exactly match the information returned by Freetype.
Layered on top of that is the fonts can be manipulated with an affine
matrix with varying results for the different font schemes.  Currently
I write fonts to an image that bounds the font and turn all pixels not
covered by the font lettering to transparent then composite this on top
of the image being annotated.

The only metrics available now are the maximum font height and string
width.  In Perl, for example, use

  $font->Read('label:This is a test');
  ($width,$height)=$font->Get('width','height');

I can certainly include other metric information as well but how to do
this consistently for all font schemes?  Perhaps I could retain the
font metrics for Freetype fonts only?  Or can you think of a few
specific font metrics that would be useful to you that we can get for
FreeType, X11, and Postscript fonts?  What is a minimal set of font
metrics you need to make annotating more useable?

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