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From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Fri Sep 13 16:51:47 2002
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From: Tony Hoyle <tmh@magenta-netlogic.com>
To: "'carlo@alinoe.com'" <carlo@alinoe.com>,
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Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: carlo@alinoe.com [mailto:carlo@alinoe.com]
> Sent: 13 September 2002 14:21
> To: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [SAtalk] Getting yourself removed from spam lists
>
> I get the feeling that the spammers never
> remove emails from their lists.
Correct...
> On the other hand, that doesn't make sense:
> wouldn't they get worried about their millions
> of spams being wasted? Don't they WANT *some*
> prove that they indeed *reach* people somehow?
No, they only have to prove that they send several million
emails to 'potential clients' to get their money. I don't think
they even care much about bounces. They're con-artists, why
should they care about proving they actually reached people?
> So... it seems to me that they DO clean up
> their lists, but only when a spam fails to
> deliver - or can't they detect that?
Most of the time the bounce goes to some poor soul who has
nothing to do with the spammer.
> What do spammers do with email addresses in
> their database that are undeliverable for a
> few years? Do they still continue to spam
> them?
Yes.
Tony
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