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<H4>"Linux Gazette...<I>making Linux just a little more fun!</I>"</H4>  
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<H2><a NAME="mail"><IMG SRC="../gx/mailbox.gif" ALIGN=MIDDLE ALT=" ">
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<H3>Contents:</H3>
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<li><a HREF="./lg_mail28.html#help">Help Wanted -- Article Ideas</a>
<li><a HREF="./lg_mail28.html#gen">General Mail</a>
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:13:13 +0200<BR> 
From: Tomas Valusek, <A
HREF="mailto:tvalusek@vs.inext.cz">tvalusek@vs.inext.cz </A> <BR>  
Subject: MIDI on Linux
<P> 
I'm trying to understand how is MIDI supported on Linux. Can you write a
detailed article about it?
<P> 
Tomas Valusek

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:59:18 +0800<BR> 
From: Kevin Ng, <A HREF="mailto:kng@HK.Super.NET">kng@HK.Super.NET</A> <BR>
Subject: <B>Patch troubleshooting</B> 
<P> 
It is common nowadays for s/w to be delivered in form of patches, which
makes sense in terms of saving network bandwidth and time.
However, as a end user, when somehow a patch fails, I don't know what do
do, except email to the original author.
<P> 
I'd therefore like to see an article describing patches, i.e.,
<ul>
<li>what are they for ?
<li>How to apply one ?
<li>How to create one ?
<li>How to check integrity of s/w patch
<li>what to do if the patch gives you errors ?
</ul>
Kevin (from Hong Kong)

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:51:09 -0800<BR> 
From: Nate Daiger, <A HREF="mailto:daiger@newdream.net">daiger@newdream.net</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>HELP--Utility for changing NTFS partition sizes</B> 
<P> 
	I want to dynamically change my NTFS partition to install Linux, but can
only find resizing utilities for FAT. If no such utility exists, is there a
way to install Linux on an NTFS partition?
<P>
Nate Daiger

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:33:39 -0500<BR> 
From: Ahmad Faiz, <A
HREF="mailto:AFAIZ@cstp.umkc.edu">AFAIZ@cstp.umkc.edu </A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Printing with Linux</B> 
<P>
I'm running Red Hat 5.0 on my machine, and I've just bought a HP DeskJet 
722C printer, but I couldn't get it to work. I asked around on the IRC 
channels, and so far everyone has answered that Linux does not support 
it - is it a windows-only printer?
<P>
If so, is it possible to write a driver for it? or does anyone know of 
where I can get my hands on the driver (if it's already been written, of 
course). I would love to try and write one, but unfortunately I'm new to 
Linux and to programming.
<P>
any help would be appreciated...thanks!
<P>
Faiz

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:00:19 -0500 (EST)<BR> 
From: Nordic Boy, <A
HREF="mailto:jklaas@cs.albany.edu">jklaas@cs.albany.edu </A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>SysV init for Slackware</B> 
<P>
I am wondering if someone out there knows of a package to change
Slackware's BSDish inittab (and rc.d/rc.*) files to a SysV type structure
with separate rc.d.0, rc.d.1, etc inits.  I am asking because I recently
installed KDE and I really like it and I was thinking of using the SysV
init editor that comes with it, but it would be nice to have something to
start with rather than starting from scratch.  
<P>
Thanks,
<P>
James Klaas

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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:03:00 +0800<BR> 
From: Kevin Ng, <A HREF="mailto:kng@HK.Super.NET">kng@HK.Super.NET </A>
<BR> 
Subject: <B>How to enable swapping</B> 
<P>
My machine, which is a Pentium Pro with 64MB memory, reports no swap
space being used. In procinfo, it always report 0K swap space.
<P>
I did a fdisk on /dev/hda and verified that a 64MB partition of type
Linux swap (83) is actually there.
<P>
So why is the swap never being used ?
<P>
Kevin

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:35:37 +0200 (CEST)<BR> 
From: K. Nikolaj Berntsen, <A
HREF="mailto:berntsen@bkm.dtu.dk">berntsen@bkm.dtu.dk </A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>finite elements programs for Linux</B> 
<P>
At the department where I am sitting they are planning to buy a PC-bar,
and they intend to put NT on the machines. I would benefit from them
putting Linux on them, since I could then use them for simulations
overnight.
<P>
I started talking to the ones buying it and my arguments stopped, when
they said that one reason for using NT was that they should be running
finite elements programs on them and that the frontier for those programs
was now on the windows platform. I don't know s... about that, so I am
looking for info; should I accept their arguments or is it that he just
does not know what can be gotten for Linux? Commercial Finite Element
Method (FEM) programs are also in the searchlight!
<P>
Happy Computing, Nikolaj

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:42:35 -0700<BR> 
From: Peter D'Souza, <A HREF="mailto:dsouza@panix.com">dsouza@panix.com</A>
<BR> 
Subject: <B>Btrieve Port?</B> 
<P>
Our company runs two major apps using a Btrieve database. I was
wondering if anybody has ported either Btrieve server or client to
Linux. It is an extremely fast database (and highly underrated too)
which would be excellent if ported to Linux. I'm not too sure if the
developers of our Btrieve applications would move to Linux, but if I
could test a Linux-based solution with sample datasets, perhaps they'd
be more amenable to the idea of moving to a Linux platform (as an
alternative, at least).
<P> 
Peter D'Souza

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:12:53 +0200<BR> 
From: Denny &Aring;berg, <A HREF="mailto:Denny@ele.kth.se">Denny@ele.kth.se</A>
<BR> 
<P>
Hi, I'm tired of starting my X-session with 'startx -- -bpp 16'
to get 16 biplanes instead of the default 8. How do I get xdm
to run with 16 bpp? If I use it now, it starts X with 8bpp on my
Red Hat 5 installation.
<P> 
cheers,<BR> 
Denny &Aring;berg,     Sweden

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:18:11 +0000<BR> 
From: pheret, <A HREF="mailto:pheret@linex.com">pheret@linex.com</A>
<BR> 
Subject: <B>floppy problems</B> 
<P>
Hi there.  Okay, i don't know if this is a floppy problem, or what,
but here goes.
<P>
I am able to mount my diskette, but when I try to copy something from
the disk to my hard drive I get this error:
<PRE>
floppy0: disk absent or changed during operation
end_request:  I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 1
bread in fat_access failed
cp: &lt;file name&gt;:  I/O error
</PRE>
Is this because it is mounted umsdos?  Should I mount it something
else?
<P>
I am running Linux 2.0.0 on an AST ascentia950n.  I only have my basic
system right now because I can't get my floppies to copy!  arrgh.
<P>
anyhow, if you can help me, could you please send suggestions to 
pheret@linex.com?  Thanks!

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:53:47 +0200<BR> 
From: <A HREF="mailto:letromb@tin.it">letromb@tin.it</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>cd rom</B> 
<P>
Hello.I have the Linux Slackware 2.0.30 Walnut Creek.I installed it on a
Pentium 200 MMX
with a 24x CD-ROM.
During the installation I had to write "ramdisk hdd=cdrom" for reading the
CD-ROM, but after 
the installation Linux doesn't see the CD-ROM.
I have an atapi CD-ROM, and when I tried to compile my kernel another time,
I saw that atapi
is the default !!! So I don't understand where is the problem .
What can I do ?
<P>
Thank you for your reply,<BR> 
                        Leonardo

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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:45:54 +0000<BR> 
From: Jason Powell, <A
HREF="mailto:jay@Lauren.dyn.ml.org">jay@Lauren.dyn.ml.org </A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Red Hat Linux 5</B> 
<P>
  Anyone know when Red Hat Linux 5.1 is coming out?  I'm running a severely
modified version of 5.0 now, and needless to say it stinks.  I can't
compile anything that uses sockets because of broken headers.  Suffice to
say, I find it to be quite an annoyance.

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:02:09 +0200<BR> 
From: Lambert van Eijck, <A
HREF="mailto:eijck@iri.tudelft.nl">eijck@iri.tudelft.nl </A> <BR> 
<P>
I'm having a problem with my menus in X.
I can access all menus (by mouse), but the items of those menus which
are WITHIN a "X-box" are not selectable, somehow.
The menus I'm talking about are menus like the 'vt fonts', 'main
options' and 'vt options' in the Xterm.
Or the 'file' and 'page' menu of Ghostscript.
<P>
If anyone has a suggestion on why I can select the menu but not menu
item, please send me a mail.
I'm using Debian 1.3.
<P>
Lambert van Eijck

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:12:53 +0800<BR> 
From: Guan Yang, <A HREF="mailto:guan@wk.dk">guan@wk.dk</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>How do I set up XDM?</B> 
<P> 
I have heard that one can login to Linux via XDM. How is this done?
Also, I have also heard that you can get a Linux penguin at boottime or
something like that. Tell!

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:42:28 +0200<BR> 
From: Ola Ekdahl, <A HREF="mailto:ola.ekdahl@swipnet.se">
ola.ekdahl@swipnet.se</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Modem</B> 
<P> 
I am a real Linux newbie and I wonder how do I configure my modem. It's 
a sportster flash modem.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:01:59 -0700 <BR> 
From: tng, <A HREF="mailto:tng@sosweb.com">tng@sosweb.com</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>getting ppp-2.3.3 to work</B> 
<P> 
Anyway I finally decided to migrate to linux kernel 2.1.94 mainly
because of the .94 indicates that they are almost ready for the next
stable release...
<P> 
The problem I have is ppp 2.3.3  I downloaded is read the README
compiled the required parts and installed flawlessly...Now I CANNOT
conect to my ISP..  They are running a linux network with redhat 5 for
web hosting and slakeware controling the raid and passwords.  I'm
running slackware. (redhat would crash every couple days wipeing out my
harddisk...got tired of rebuilding my system...got real good at backups
: )  )
<P> 
the ppp-2.2 I was using I had to use the +ua &lt;file&gt; switch where file
contained the username and password for upap auth.  after upgrading this
swich was no longer available so I simply added it to my
/etc/ppp/pap-secretes file:
<PRE> 
username    *    password
</PRE> 
this didn't work. So, I tried the following:
<PRE> 
localhost    *    username:password
*                 *    username:password
</PRE> 
 My ISP hangs up on me.  I changed the order of the fields every which
way I could thing of but nothing worked.  I would like to get my linux
box back on the net because of better transfer times and a more stable
environment.  (linux connected at 33.6 and windoz connects and 24.# with
the same serial settings modem init etc.)
<P> 
Please help...I hate to downgrade after houres of work upgrading.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:31:14 +0800<BR> 
From: Stephen Lee, <A
HREF="mailto:sljm@pobox.org.sg">sljm@pobox.org.sg</A><BR> 
Subject: <B>Help Slackware</B> 
<P> 
I am running Slackware 3.2 and I want my machine to have a name like
stephen.merlin.com when people dial into my machine using PPP or Slip
(My idea is to run some sort of a intranet BBS with poeple dialing in
using Dial-up networking and people can telnet in) but apart from
setting /etc/hostname do I need to run "named" perhaps you can have a
article on how to set up this  type of service.

<a name="gen"></a>
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:45:11 -0600<BR> 
From: Mike Hammel, <A
HREF="mailto:mjhammel@graphics-muse.org">mjhammel@graphics-muse.org </A> <BR> 
To: STunney@ahcpr.gov <BR> 
Subject: <B>grammer sites?</B> 
<P> 
You recently wrote to the Linux Gazette to express your aggravation
about the use of apostrophes and the world "alot" in many articles and
letters.  You are correct - both of these are misused often in email,
even more so in general email not destined for an online magazine.
I often find myself trying to reword a sentence to not use "alot", and
am aggravated with myself for having used it so often I can't think of
more proper wording!  You also mentioned that there were online
dictionaries available.  My only problem with your letter was you didn't
mention where these could be found.  If you have a few references, a
follow up letter to the Gazette would be grealy appreciated.  I know I
often have need for a dictionary and a theasaurus in my own writings.
Although I have one of each, they are pocket editions and somewhat
limited.  I realize I could look for references via Yahoo or other
online search engines, but I thought since you had mentioned their
existance you might already have the references.
<P> 
Thanks.  <BR> 
Michael J. Hammel, The Graphics Muse

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:55:05 +0100<BR> 
From: John Hartnup, <A HREF="mailto:slim@ladle.demon.co.uk">
slim@ladle.demon.co.uk</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Regular Expressions</B> 
<P>
Great April issue. Thanks.
<P>
The further reading section for the Regular Expressions in C++ section
misses out the *excellent* O'Reilly book <I>Mastering Regular
Expressions</I>.
<P>
I suspect that most people, like me before I read the book, don't
realise the sheer power behind regexs. It's revloutionised my coding
methods (especially in Perl!).
<P>
John

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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:51:30 -0500 (EST)<BR> 
From: Casimer P. Zakrzewski, <A HREF="mailto:zak@acadia.net">
zak@acadia.net</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>IBM 8514 Monitor and X</B> 
<P>
I hope you have the space to publish all of this letter.  I would certainly
appreciate it if you did.
Back in the Feb 98 issue of LG, my request for help with installing X on the
old IBM monitor I have was published, and I received a number of replies,
from all over the world as you'll see.  I wish to thank:
<PRE>
        Corey G. &lt;chds652@BOTCC.COM&gt;;
        Todd Jamison &lt;jamison@littonos.com&gt;;
        "War Hound" &lt;warhound@worldnet.att.net&gt;;
        Justin Dossey &lt;dossey@ou.edu&gt;;
        Martin Vermeer &lt;mv@fgi.fi&gt;;
        Alexy Yurchenko &lt;ayurchen@bell.aispbu.spb.su&gt;;
        Robert Reid &lt;reid@astro.utoronto.ca&gt;; and,
        Miss Valarie Frizzle
</PRE> 
Many advised using 'xvidtune' to get the proper settings, and a couple
advised me to get RH5.0.  I only got around to trying out anything about two
weeks ago.
<P> 
Now this may come in handy for anyone else with a monitor like mine.  It was
so simple it was foolish.  First, I couldn't find 'xvidtune' after
reinstalling RH4.2, so I figured I'd play around with the X configuration.
If I blew the monitor, well.....
<P> 
In the RH installation, when I got to the selection of monitors, I bit the
bullet and selected 'custom'.  A new menu came up, and guess what?  In it
was a listing for an 'IBM 8514 or compatible'.  (As the younger people say
today, I said "Duh?")  I kind of figured my monitor was as compatible as it
could get!
<P> 
After I clicked on that and popped in what freqs I knew, X worked perfectly.
Which is a nice end to the tale, but doesn't address the problem.
The problem was that I was afraid to (as Ms. Frizzle says) 'Take chances;
get messy.'  I was too happy webbing along in the Win95 world.  To newbies
like me out there, all I can say is:  do just that.  I advise having a
notebook and pen handy at all times, though, to write down anything you
change and where you changed it.
<P> 
Does RTFM sound familiar?  Do that, too.  A lot.  Linux can be confusing,
especially when you're trying to do something supposedly simple like
installing PPP (I'm *still* working on that) and at different web sites you
find three or four different ways to do that, and none seem to work in your
case.
<P> 
That's when you take chances and get messy.  And you may well (as I've had
to do), hit the big RESET button when it's a total SNAFU, and maybe have to
reinstall.  Breaks of the game.  And that's where the notebook you've been
writing all your changes comes in very handy.  If you try to keep it all in
your head, the kumpewter will win every time.
<P> 
In addition, there is a lot of help from off-line sources, like library book
sales.  Last year, for example, I picked up an 'outdated' SAMS book
entitled, "X Window System Programming".  That was before I even thought
about putting together another 'puter - over eight years from touching a
keyboard.  I may never use it; but it only cost $.50.
Local gurus; if you're lucky enough to have them, be subtle in your approach
to them.  Like, 'Uh, gee, you can really get your (whatever it is) really
whipping up a storm.  Mine kinda...', and let it drag out.  Ten years ago
when I was a supposed 'guru', that *always* got me going.  And I learned
from a guy who had a really modern system  back in the '80s, so I got one
just like it.
<P> 
When you say, "TRASH-80", you better smile, pardner!  Mod-1, no less.  4K RAM.
Damn thing could do just about anything.
<P> 
Your ISP may or may not be a help, but try it.  Where I am, when I walked in
to sign up and the word Linux passed my lips, I thought they'd hang balls of
garlic around their necks.
<P> 
But if you want to do it, you will.  I still don't have PPP on Linux, for
example, so under Win95, if I find something tempting on the web, I still
download it.  It can always be put on a disk, if necessary - say you don't
have a dos mount - and then tarred to your Linux partitiion.
<P> 
But write it down; write it all down.
<P> 
That's all I have to say, except I again all those who sent me help.
That's what Linux is all about anyway, isn't it.
<P>
PS:  I hope I was correct in the above to please the English purists.  If
not:  mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maximum culpa.
<P>
Zak

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:30:29 -0600 (MDT)<BR> 
From: Dale K. Hawkins, <A HREF="mailto:dhawkins@teton.Mines.EDU">
dhawkins@teton.Mines.EDU </A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Bazaar ISP...</B> 
<P>
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has ever considered the idea of a bazaar
model for running an ISP.  By a Bazaar model, I of caurse refer to the
infamous Cathedral vs. Bazaar model for software development.  So what do
I really mean.  I mean an ISP by the people for the people.  I have found
that most ISP's are very restrictive in how things are run, i.e., many of
the interesting utilities are strictly off limits.  For example, I was
recently trying to setup cvs to work as a server.  The normal way to do
this is by adding a line to inetd.conf.  However, being only a "user" on
my ISP, I had no way to accomplish this.  So I though of a more complex
way to set this up, but that method require the use of crontab.  Again
this service is not available to Joe User.
<P>
I am very aware of the obvious security issues, but surely there must be a
way to improve the situation in someway.  I cannot but think about rms
(Richard Stallman) and some of his lestures on the evils of a sysadmin and
thinking, "how true".  But how can one deal with the open system issue,
while still maintain a certain level of system security.  I would be very
pleased to see this erupt into a deep and lengthy thread somewhere.  Just
my 2 cents.
<P>
-Dale

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:12:00 +0100<BR> 
From: William Chesters, <A HREF="mailto:williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk">
williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk</A> <BR> 
Subject: <B>Linux is not ready for the desktop</B> 
<P>
David Wagle ("Evangelism: A Unix Bigot and Linux Advocate's Spewings",
Linux Gazette #27) points out some good reasons why converting people
to Linux can be harder than we expect.
<P>
But he seems to shy away from the natural conclusion.  It is not
currently possible to put together a setup which makes it possible for
people to do normal day-to-day work and simple admin without serious
trouble---whether or not they care about abandoning their existing
Windows software.  Ergo, Linux is simply not, in all conscience, a
suitable platform for unsupported users who just want to get their
jobs done.
<P>
It very nearly is.  I run the maximally friendly Linux installation
with Red Hat, linuxconf, KDE, Netscape and Word Perfect; my experience
is that intelligent non-Unix users can manage fine 90% of the time.
The remaining problems are very obvious, but here there are anyway
spelt out in order of seriousness:
  <UL>
  <LI> Few of the heavyweight GUI apps and tools mentioned above work
       reliably: they suffer at least as many bugs and crashes as
       their Windows equivalents (KDE, of course, is still in beta).
       While on the other hand ...
  <LI> ... The classic Unix applications (emacs, tex <I>etc.</I>) are
       rock steady; but they are not wonderful enough, outside certain
       narrow (generally academic) domains, to offset the difficulty
       and crankiness which everyone freely admits they exhibit.
  <LI> The GUI tools cannot handle all day-to-day tasks; and
       to achieve the best coverage, you have to use
       tools from several different stables, which is
       confusing---especially when they interact poorly with each
       other.
  <LI> Some classes of desktop application simply do not exist for
       Linux at any price, or are far inferior to their Windows
       counterparts.  Try getting something to typeset music.
  <LI> Nothing even attempts to achieve the kind of effortless
       networking which Windows users take for granted.  (Don't
       flame me---go and try Windows.)
  <LI> The underlying OS does have a few bugs, minor perhaps, but
       nevertheless showstoppers for unsupported users.  "Just stop
       lpd, remove the lp kernel module, modprobe it again and restart
       lpd" is not what they want to hear.
  </UL>
Yes, progress over the last year or two has been breathtaking.  The
developer community has shown itself capable of coming up with really
lovely utilities and tools for non-initiates, and it no longer seems
implausible that Linux will soon develop into something that rivals NT
for ease of use.  But in the mean time, proposing Linux to anyone not
already conversant with Unix is tantamount to suggesting a new hobby:
one with tangible rewards, to be sure, but let's admit that's what it
is.  Linux is <B>not</B> ready for the desktop.


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