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<li><A HREF="#tips.1"
	><strong>cinelerra & libstdc++so.3</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.2"
	><strong>problem in dns setting up</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.3"
	><strong>Home LAN setup question</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.4"
	><strong>Anyone for winRAID?</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.5"
	><strong>up2date SSL error</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.6"
	><strong>Snapshot fo current window or desktop</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.7"
	><strong>Errors while using rpm extension.....Cygwin</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#tips.8"
	><strong>Cool tool of the week: nntp//rss</strong></a>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">cinelerra & libstdc++so.3</FONT></H3>
Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:54:45 -0700
<BR>Thomas Adam (<a
href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=linux-questions-only@linuxgazette.com&cc=bbertsch@surfside.net&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%231">The <em>LG</em> Weekend Mechanic</a>)
<BR>Question by Brian

<P><STRONG>
Well, i installed the SuSe 8.2 pro, and it's really nice.  Found Kino
and got my firewire DV video camera to download some AVI files. wow! To
get a final product SVCD of my little princess riding horses, i decided
to use Cinelerra.it won't install, because  libstdc++so.3 isn't found.
I have all the C++ from SuSe, but, not this.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
My Questions:
1	i have the files from a Linux Format DVD "essentials" section.    It
looks "involved" to install. Do i need the one file  libstdc++so.3, or
the whole group?
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
2 Could you recommend a course of action.  I would like to do some video
editing again.  I'm 1/2 way there and real excited.  Dang! i'm getting
all shaky again!
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
This looks like a classic case of "I cannot find the symlink". I usually
get annoyed at programs that do this, but the solution is simple:
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQuote>
1. Find "libstdc++" (possibly in <TT>/usr/lib/</TT>)
</BLOCKQuote></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><CODE>
2. ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++ /usr/lib/libstdc++so.3
</CODE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
(What you may find is that a file called "libstdc++so.so" exists, and
should that point of a library file, symlink it as appropriate).
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
3. run "ldconfig -X" (as root)
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
(Step 3 is there to keep the cache happy, although it is usually not
needed).
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
HTH,
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><STRONG>
Thank you very much.  Cinelerra is working, the frame rate is up w/ my
NVIDIA driver, and i have 2 week's vacation starting today!. whoo hoo!
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
I am requesting your permission to post your suggestion to the web -
chat sites where a few are experiencing similar difficulties.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
thanks a 1 EE6.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
brian
</STRONG></P>

<blockquote><font color="red">You're more than welcome to do so
 -- Thomas Adam</font></blockquote>

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<FONT COLOR="navy">problem in dns setting up</FONT></H3>
Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
<BR>Kapil Hari Paranjape (<a
href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=anilksd@yahoo.com&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%232">The
Answer Gnag</a>)
<br>Question by Anil KP

<P><STRONG>
Hi,
We have leaseline from our isp and they have given us
8 ethernet ipz(public ip) for our internal servers.
The problem is that our ispz dns doesnt work properly.
so i thought of setting up my own dns.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
I was able to setup the dns on the private
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
network(192.168.1.1-first ethernet card) successfully
but was not able to setup the dns properly on the
public ip(another ethernet card).  What wud be reverse
lookup zone file  in the case of public ip?(I was
given by my isp only 8 pulic ipz ).
Anticipating ur reply
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Kapil] 
This can only be done by subnet assignment. The ISP needs to
create entries for your in their reverse zone file which point
to your server. Look for CIDR or Classless Internet Domain Routing
on google.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
I think this is only applicable if bot hyou and the ISP use "bind".
If you use DJBernstein's domain name server programs then things are
different.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
To repeat, this is only possible through co-operation with the entity
(presumably your ISP) who has been authorised to provide reverse lookup
to the entire Class C net to which your eight addresses belong.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
As an example you can get for our domain:
</BLOCKQUOTE>

<blockquote><pre>$ host -t PTR 81.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa.
81.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa     CNAME   81.imsc.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa
81.imsc.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa        PTR     proxy.imsc.res.in

$ host -t NS 209.199.203.in-addr.arpa.
209.199.203.in-addr.arpa        NS      md3.vsnl.net.in
209.199.203.in-addr.arpa        NS      md2.vsnl.net.in

$ host -t NS imsc.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa.
imsc.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa   NS      ns1.imsc.res.in
imsc.209.199.203.in-addr.arpa   NS      ns2.imsc.res.in
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Home LAN setup question</FONT></H3>
Sat, 09 Aug 2003 00:50:59 -0600
<BR>Faber Fedor (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=xgen@softhome.net&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%233">xgen from softhome.net</a>)
<br>Question by xgen

<P>
Hi there dude,
</P>
<P>
i have a general question regarding Home LAN setup on Linux
</P>
<P>
I have 2 PCs to be networked and sharing a connection. Do i need 2 network
cards, 1 leading out to the outside world, another leading to my internal
LAN? Is this setup common? Will it help in LAN security?
</P>
<P>
Thanks a mil
</P>
<P>
-Xgen
</P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Faber] 
These days, the Dude has been upgraded to Dudes and a Dudette.  We're
now known as The Answer Gang.  The Answer Guy is still around , but he's
got help these days.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
Generally speaking, if you're using one of the Linux boxes as a
router/firewall.  If you're using, say a LInksys router/firewall, then
no, you don't need two NICS in one Linux box.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
Check out www.tldp.org for various documents on setting up networks and
routers using Linux.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Anyone for winRAID?</FONT></H3>
Mon Sep 29 16:39:55 BST 2003
<br>Hugo Mills (<a
href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=linux-questions-only@linuxgazette.com&cc=Hugo@carfax.org.uk&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%234">Hugo@carfax.org.uk</a>)

<p><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> I seem to be getting a small but steady flow of people</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> asking me
about the Adaptec Serial ATA RAID card and Linux.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> hrmmmm
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> is there a distro being buggy about it?
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066">
No, it just doesn't work right.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> a pal tells me that aacraid code is busted in some of the
gentoo kernel kits but is safe to use in their vanilla source kit
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> It's not AAC at all.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> It's the
AAR-1210SA.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> is theer a secret handshake for it or is it just Being Evil right now?
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> It's based on the SiI3112 chip, but Adaptec mangled it.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> You can
write stuff to the disk drive and read it back again,</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> since I'm working on the tips section anyway.... <img src="" alt=":D">
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066">
but every disk access just causes a DMA timeout,</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> ouch
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066">
which takes anything up to about 45 seconds to clear.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> urgh
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> So
it's basically worthless.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> that's millenia in computer time
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> I wrote a patch to the kernel to recognise the PCI ID of the card,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> which works (I've got code in the kernel! Woohoo!)</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> but it has
the unfortunate effect above.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> this a private patch or submitted?
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> Submitted.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> It went in 2.4.21-ac1, and 2.4.22 I think.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> (Or was it
2.4.20-ac1 and 2.4.21? I can't remember)</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> ok, it wasn't handled at all, but you provided code which tries to handle it, only DMA is still wicked?
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> Yes, that's about the size of it.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> Adaptec provide Linux drivers for the card,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> but they're only for certain stock Red Hat kernel packages.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> and
they're binary-only.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#000066">* Editorgal</font> avoids ranting about RH's concept of "stock"
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> I've tried asking moderately noisily on LKML about the problems with this card,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> but nobody seems to be able to give me any information at all.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> All I've achieved is having several email threads archived where I appear to be</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> the font
of all knowledge about getting the 1210SA working under Linux.
</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006600">[tonytiger]</font> heh
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> As soon as this month's pay cheque clears, I'm buying an SIIG card instead,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> and
selling the Adaptec on eBay.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> what's the info you want to get, I could post a wanted note for you in LG?
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066">
Why isn't it working, and how do you fix it?  <img src=""
alt=":)"></font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> TBH, I
can't be arsed at this point.</font></strong>
<br><font color="#006699">[editorgal]</font> it isn't working because adaptec's too lame to cough up a source module instead of a binary for RH's heavily mangled kernels.
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066">
Well, yes, that's about the size of it.  <img src=""
alt=":)"></font></strong>
<br><font color="#000066">* Editorgal</font> captures this thread for the 2c Tips column
<br><strong><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> Also, I think they want to hide the fact that the RAID (0, 1, 0+1) part of the card is effectively done in software.</font>
<br><font color="#000099">[hugo]</font><font color="#000066"> (Or so it
is rumoured)</font></strong>
</p>

<p><em>That "rumor" is per a Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML) post by Sam Flory.  It's probably mirrored lots of places, but here's a pointer: 
<br><a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105484662322837&w=2">http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105484662322837&w=2</a>
<br>In the rest of the thread, Hugo notes that he's only looking for
basic drive-access features, but above, he notes that he hasn't managed to code them
up himself, and is giving up (his main contribution having been patching
the PCI ID recognition).  For fairness sake they have binary modules for a few other stock boxed-linux kernels but as soon as you stray off the beaten path - and possibly as soon as you upgrade even if staying within the distro's offered kernels - someone else will have to figure out why the SiI3112 chip hates Seagate SATA drives.<em></p>

<p><em>Meanwhile, if you're the sort who bristles about binary-only drivers going into your otherwise trustable kernel, look out for VIA's "support" for the MPEG2 hardware on their EPIA boards, too. -- Heather</em></p>

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<FONT COLOR="navy">up2date SSL error</FONT></H3>
Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:24:42 -0400
<BR>Greg Anderson (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=linux-questions-only@linuxgazette.com&cc=Greg@FutureRealms.com&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%231">Greg from FutureRealms.com</a>)

<P><STRONG>
In Redhat 7.1 thru 9 running up2date fails with this message:
</STRONG></P>

<pre><strong>SSL.Error: [('SSL routines', 'SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE', 'certificate verify failed')]
</strong></pre>
<P><STRONG>
Then it tells you your system's clock may be so wrong it is causing the
problem.  What is
really going on is the certificate and the up2date program is out of
date.  You need to
download the lateest up2date from Redhat.
</STRONG></P>

<TABLE WIDTH="95%" BORDER="1" BGCOLOR="#FFFFCC"><TR><TD>
<p align="center">...............</p>
<P><STRONG>
"The certificate used by up2date and rhn_register to communicate with the
<A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/">Red Hat</A> Network reached its end of life on August 28th 2003.  Users
attempting to connect to Red Hat Network will see SSL connection or
certificate verification failures."
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
"New versions of the up2date and rhn_register clients are now available
which are required for continued access to Red Hat Network."
</STRONG></P><p align="center">...............</p>
</TD></TR></TABLE>
<P><STRONG>
RHSA-2003:267 for Red Hat Linux:
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-267.html
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
This solved it for me.
--
Greg Anderson
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[JimD] 
Might be good to try an rpm --rebuilddb command, too.  Just in case
rpm segfaults on a corrupted dbm/database.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Snapshot fo current window or desktop</FONT></H3>
24 Sep 2003 12:30:54 -0500
<BR>Dan Wilder, Thomas Adam, Ashwin N (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=whegge@signalblast.com&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%232">the <em>LG</em> Answer Gang</a>)
<BR>Question by Wes Hegge

<P><STRONG>
How do I get a snapshot (preferably in gif or jpg format) of the current
window in <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/">KDE</A>?  What I am looking for is the equivalent to MS's
Alt-PrtScn then paste to paintbrush and then save to a file.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
TIA
--
Wes Hegge
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Dan] 
ksnapshot
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><STRONG>
Thanks,
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
I Guess, I am blind as a bat.  Right in the "Graphics" submenu is
"Screen Capture Program" (aka ksnapshot).
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
Thanks for the help.
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Thomas] 
I haven't run KDE for years
(I'm an FVWM fan), but I do know that "ImageMagick" offers the "import"
utility which does the same thing, as does "xwd".
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Ashwin N] 
Can be done using Gimp. From the menu choose,
</BLOCKQUOTE>

<blockquote><pre>File -&gt; Acquire -&gt; Screenshot
</pre></blockquote>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Heather] 
For the ImageMagick method I keep a directory named prn and if I like
what I captured I rename this image.  This happens to also be where I
keep documents I only have around to be printed. Here's my bash alias
I've been using for awhile:
</BLOCKQUOTE>

<blockquote><pre># capture an X display
# with thanks to the lazy folks at
# http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/scrshot.htm
# who were kind enough to document how they do 'em.
screenshot ()
{
   import -window root ~/prn/screendump.png
}
</pre></blockquote>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
Note that the man page for import is actually readable - you can take
shots of specific things, not just the whole screen.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
There's also an enlightenment epplet that will make screenshots.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Errors while using rpm extension..... Cygwin</FONT></H3>
Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:34:49 +0530
<BR>Ashwin N (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=atiya.azim@niit.edu.pk&cc=yodha8@yahoo.co.uk&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%233">yodha8 from yahoo.co.uk</a>)
<BR>Question by Atiya Azim 

<P><STRONG>
Actually i am not using red hat, although it is insalled on my pc.
Rather
i am using cygwin (<A HREF="http://cygwin.com"
	>http://cygwin.com</A> which is linus-like environment for
windows platform - my OS is Windows 2000) for these rpms. It is working
fine with .tar and .gz files..but giving problems with all the files of
rpm format.
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Ashwin] 
That is the problem! I have used Cygwin before, but I didn't know that
they
had even ported over RPM! In any case, if your need is just for a Java
SDK,
you can download the one available for Windows from the Sun website.
Install
it and the java, javac and other commandline tools will be available to
you
under Cygwin. Just remember to update the PATH variable with the directory
where the Java binaries are located.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><STRONG>
Thanks for the help.........it is working this way.......
</STRONG></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
[Ashwin] 
For other Linux utilities that are not available from the Cygwin mirrors,
you will have the best chance with the .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 files of those
applications.
</BLOCKQUOTE>

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<FONT COLOR="navy">Cool tool of the week: nntp//rss</FONT></H3>
Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:17:32 -0600
<BR>Jason Creighton (<a
href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=androflux@softhome.net&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%234">The
<em>LG</em> Answer Gang</a>)

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Hi,
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nntp//rss (<A HREF="http://www.methodize.org/nntprss"
	>http://www.methodize.org/nntprss</A>) is a RSS to NNTP so you
can read RSS feeds in your favorite newsreaders. Very nice.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">mult headeddsplay</FONT></H3>
Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:08:16 +0100
<BR>Neil Youngman (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=intiha@yahoo.com&cc=n.youngman@ntlworld.com&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2095%5D%202c%20Tips%20%235">n.youngman from ntlworld.com</a>)
<BR>Question by Affan Ahmed

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Hello,
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I have a NVIDA GForce 2 Go 100 card that supports
multiheaded display easily in Windows. Now i want to
do the same in Linux. I have RedHat 8.0. What do you
suggest that I do?
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[Neil] 
I suggest using Google
<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+linux+%22multiple+display%22&amp;sourceid=opera&amp;num=0&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8"
	>http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+linux+%22multiple+display%22&amp;sourceid=opera&amp;num=0&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8</A>
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It throws up potentially useful stuff like
<DD><A HREF="http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Jun/att-3012/01-TWINVIEW_README"
	>http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Jun/att-3012/01-TWINVIEW_README</A>
</DL></BLOCKQUOTE>

<blockquote><font color="#000066">I suppose you could try the Gentoo Unreal Tournament demo CD, which
won't replace anything on your computer.  At the very least it's tuned
up for NVidia.  Find it by typing "unreal" into the search gadget at
Freshmeat.Net.
 -- Heather</font></blockquote>

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