Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:31:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Bug#4780: (un)zip out of non-free?
From: Greg Roelofs <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>He can't take _all_ the credit - Debian has a very nice bug tracking system
>that knows who maintains the various packages. All he had to do was send
>email to it, with respect to zip and/or unzip, and his mail would make its
>way to me. :-)
Ah, very slick. I really should take the time to look at Debian in
detail one of these days, but I haven't even had time to upgrade all
of my exes at home to ELF yet. :-(
>Anyway, I'm more than happy to see zip and unzip in the
>distribution itself; I know that I got confused when it wasn't there the
>first time I installed Debian.
Yes, especially given their prominence in Slackware (no slight intended)--
they're on the very first disk set, i.e., they're always installed.
Anyway, the old message is appended below; to sum up: you guys have our
explicit permission to distribute Zip, UnZip and related utilities with
the normal Debian stuff, on CD-ROM or off, with or without your additional
package files (almost said "RPM" there...), and with or without Zip encryp-
tion (at your option). If you make what a normal programmer would consider
source-code changes, please let us know about it.
Greg Roelofs email@example.com http://pobox.com/~newt/
Newtware, Info-ZIP, PNG Group, U Chicago, Philips Research, ...
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> To: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Info-ZIP on Debian
> Cc: email@example.com
> Status: R
> Marek Michalkiewicz sent us this mail:
> > I noticed that unzip and zip are included in the
> > distribution, but only in the non-free directory (not distributed on
> > CD-ROMs, only on ftp sites).
> > The version distributed with Debian is modified. No files are really
> > modified except a few files are added (mostly Debian packaging and some
> > additional README), and a diff against the original is supplied, but the
> > copyright says it may not be modified and they take it very seriously.
> Your site is dead right now, but it doesn't sound like you've done
> anything horrible; we're mainly concerned with people adding sub-
> stantive changes to our code and letting us take the blame for it.
> Adding a few files or whatever is no big deal, especially given a
> context diff.
> > Another problem: the copyright says one can distribute it and charge
> > the media cost (CD-ROM in this case) and small copying fee, but the
> > Debian maintainer said that all CD-ROMs are explicitly sold for profit
> > (not for "small copying fee"). It is not clear from the copyright
> > what is the maximum "small copying fee". Is say $30 for a CD-ROM small
> > or not?
> We don't have any problem with Info-ZIP code being distributed on CD-ROMs.
> I personally consider the $30 a charge for the compilation, not for the
> individual packages. If Info-ZIP stuff were the *only* package, that
> would be excessive. But given the hundreds or thousands of packages on
> the CD-ROM, it's ridiculous to assume that the $30 applies solely to our
> code. Even 1% of $30 is well under what I'd call "small."
> > The package also has added encryption and this may be a valid reason
> > for not distributing it on CDs (so that they are not munitions :-),
> > but the zip encryption is a joke anyway and could be removed, better
> > use some real encryption software like PGP instead...
> That's up to you guys. PKWARE obtained a license to distribute it over-
> seas (not counting Libya, Cuba, Iran, etc.), and since ours is no differ-
> ent, you could assume that we're covered, too. We don't assume that, but
> our code is imported from Europe anyway.
> > If you don't mind the distribution of the Info-ZIP software as part of
> > the Debian Linux distribution, please consider giving them an explicit
> > permission to do so. Yes, I know they are paranoid :-).
> Consider this message to be permission. (I speak for Info-ZIP in this
> Greg Roelofs "Name an animal that's small and fuzzy." "Mold."
> firstname.lastname@example.org or http://quest.jpl.nasa.gov/Info-ZIP/people/greg/